@ Willi & ander alte Hasen !

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Horst

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<p>@ Willi und ander alte Hasen (Füchse),</p><p>Brauche Hilfe:
Habe eine "MAKINA II" ( 1935).
Vor kuzem habe ich mir auch das 6x6 Magazin dazu geleistet ( 6x9 hatte ich schon).
Nun höre ich immer mal wieder, daß man bei der Makina II, auch das Objektiv wechseln kann.
Meine Frage: Stimmt das ?
Habe das Teil ausgiebig untersucht, doch leider nichts gefunden, wo man das Objektiv wechsen könnte.
Hat vielleicht jemand noch eine Bedienungsanleitung ?
Bin für jeden Tipp dankbar.
Werde mir noch das Kleinbild-Magazin dazu besorgen</p><p>Falls jemand wissen will, wie die Makina aussieht:</p><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.de/Plaubel-Makina-II-s-1935_W0QQitemZ7564198215QQcategoryZ10597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.de/Plaubel-Makina-II-s-1...1QQcmdZViewItem</a></p><p>Besten Dank im voraus, für Eure Bemühungen.</p><p>Have a nice day !
Horst
Wer sehen kann, kann auch Fotografieren.- Sehen lernen, kann allerdings sehr lange dauern.</p>
 

willi1960

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<p>Hallo
Soweit mir bekannt ist kann man die Objektive wechseln.
Der Verschluss befindet sich hinter dem Objektiv (ab IIS) Ich denke das die Objektive eingeschraubtw aren
Das ist kein Normgewinde sondern ein spezielles - daran meine ich mich zu errinnern.
Könnte auch sein das die gesamte Objektivplatte gewechselt wurde.- Google doch mal.
Auf jeden Fall standen zwei Wechselobjektive zur Verfügung:
Tele-Makina 6,3 21 cm und
Rapid-Weitwinkel-Orthar 6,8 7,3 cm
Es kann auch sein das es ich dabei um Satzobjektive handelt die in das 10cm Standartobjektiv eingeschraubt werden.</p><p>Der Nachfolger die Makina IIS erhielt dann eine Schnellwechselfassung (Bajonett?)
und die Objektive waren halbautomatisch mit dem E-Messer gekuppelt.
Ergänzt wurde hier das lichtstarke 4,8 19cm und das 6,3 19 cm.
Die IIS erschien 1935 und fur beide Kameras gab es die verschiedenen Magazine und einen ansetzbaren Schlitzverschluss ( Quelle : James E.Cornwall , Historische Kameras 1845-1970).Nach 1945 erschien dann die Makina III - gleich wie IIS aber synchronisiert
Boh - mehr weiss ich jetzt auch nicht</p><p>
Vieleicht hilft es ja</p><p>Sollte ich bei goggle was finden lass ich es Dich wissen.</p><p>Viele Grüße</p><p>
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willi1960

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<p>Die folgende Information habe ich beim googeln gefunden.
Sie beschreibt ganz klar das die II wechselbare Objektive hatte.
Also mit dem Schraube war schon ok. Aber -
Die Objektive waren zweiteilige Satzobjektive.
Ein Teil wurde vorne und ein Teil hinten angeschraubt.Kompliziert oder.
Diese Objektive zu kriegen sind sicherlich eine Syphisusarbeit.
Ab der IIS war alles einfacher , da Bajonett.</p><p>Lies Dir den folgenden Artikel durch dann erkennst Du auch die Unterschiede der verschiedenen Modelle.</p><p>Tja , man muss nicht alles wissen , es reicht wenn man weiss wo man suchen muss <img src="http://www.foto-faq.de/images/smilies/cool.gif"></p><p>Es grüsst der "alte" Fuchs</p><p>Hi,</p><p>I would like to make a small contribution to your nice and informative
pages, namely the Plaubel Makina IIs, as I think it might be interesting
for others. In short, buyers should look for:</p><p>- all speeds of Compur shutter working (slow speeds, self timer); note
please: highest speed has to be set before cocking the shutter! For T, B
the shutter does not have to be cocked, just press release button.
Otherwise shutter might be damaged!
- holes in the bellows, especially at edges
- film advance. Check if the cogs on the advance knob are not broken,
check light seals (often can be repaired easily with silk ribbon)
- bent struts</p><p>> Makina IIs is a very well thought-out strut folding press camera for
> medium format with a coupled rangefinder for the normal lens and
> semi-coupled for the tele. A first version was made in 1936. All
> Makinas were constructed by owner of Plaubel, Goetz Schrader in the
> 30s. Post-war IIs (ca. 1948-50) has a rudimentary flash connection
> which was replaced on the later model, the III and IIIr, by a special
> connector for the so-called Makiblitz. Shown here is the post-war
> version.
>
> [Image] Plaubel folds up quite flat without film back. Camera has
> tripod sockets on side and bottom of body.
>
> [Image] Unfolded IIs with Anticomar 100/2.9 normal lens
> (Tessar-type). The big round knob to the right is for focusing. Top
> left is so-called Newton viewfinder. Wide open, the normal lens
> produces very soft images, a great effect if you like it. Pictures in
> my experience are very vivid due to the soft fall-off of
> depth-of-field. At f/8 images become crispy. Plaubel introduced
> another normal with the Makina III, the 100/4.2 which was supposed for
> journalistic work.
>
> [Image] Fully extended camera with sun shade and opened groundglass.
> Visible on the body is the tiny handle which was replaced on later
> model by a metal device on the lens board. Behind it is the lock for
> the groundglass.</p><p>> [Image] Top-mounted Rangefinder. While the screw on the right holds
> the name plate, left one can be used to adjust the rangefinder,
> something that can be easily done with a groundglass or architects
> paper. Below the right RF window (right of bellows) you can find the
> serial number.
>
> [Image] Newton finder and rangefinder. I have no specs about the
> rangefinder but it uses a slightly magnified superimposed two color
> image. The rangefinder eye piece on this camera might not be original
> as the manual describes a telescopic type. The viewfinder has a small
> disc which you can move up and down for parallax compensation. Very
> convenient in use (at least for me).
>
>
> [Image] Under the viewfinder on top of lens board is the focusing
> scale for the normal lens. The scale shows a hyperfocal mark between
> endless and 10m. The manual informs you that you can achieve the best
> DOF between f/6-12 at this mark. Struts on IIs and later models have a
> second mould for the struds to engage using the wide angle, as marked
>Ww for German Weitwinkel (= wide angle). Wide angle is not
> RF-coupled. Flat knob in the middle (another one is on the bottom of
> the lens board): Press them to move the struds to the Ww position or
> to fold/ unfold the camera. Camera has to be set at infinity before
> folding to prevent bending of the struts. Better fold slowly. Far
> right is the shutter release, marked A for German Ausloeser.</p><p>> Besides cable release thread.
>
> [Image] Sports finder on lens board. Right top is the shutter cock
> lever, marked S for Spanner. The small knob marked V for
> Vorlaufwerk, a not very commonly used word anymore for the self
> timer. Cock the shutter once, press the self timer button and repeat
> cocking. Self timer cannot be used on shutter positions T, B and
> 1/200th!
>
>
> [Image] Compur I shutter. Camera is very silent, shutter sound is
> like a Rollei 35, perhaps just one octave below. The IIs was the first
> medium format camera to have the lens mounted in front of the shutter
> (from 1936 on), as far as I know. Lenses on the older Makina II came
> in two parts which you had to mount before and behind the shutter.
> There is a thread on the inside lens board of this camera, so I wonder
> if it might take the older lenses aswell? Makina I did not have
> interchangeable lenses. Lenses are mounted by half a turn clockwise.
> Now this is where the s in the IIs comes from:
> Schnellwechselfassung (something sporty like rapid interchange
> mount). Speeds include T, B to 1s-1/200th. Later IIIr (=Rapid) had
> 1/400th. As you can interchange film backs it is not that limiting as
> it sounds. There was a focal plane shutter available that went up to
> 1/1000th (hard to find today). As it was placed between body and film
> back you could not use the rangefinder anymore. Speeds are changed
> steplessly by rotating the
R-marked ring. T is used for groundglass
> focusing or time exposures or whatever you like: Press release button
> once and the shutter opens, second time for closing it. However,
> shutter cannot be cocked on positions T, B be careful! This may ruin
> the mechanism! Just depress the shutter release. To use 1/200th,
> change the ring to desired position before cocking the shutter!
>
> [Image] Mounted sun shade and close-up device T 1,5. Both can be used
> on all lenses. T 1,5 covers roughly the range between 1,2m and 65cm on
> the normal lens. There were other close-up devices available (DIN up
> to 45cm, R 0,1 for 1:1 on normals and wide angle) aswell as all kind
> of filters. To mount them on the sun shade just open it and screw it
> in.
>
> [Image] Plaubel with 120 rollfilm back for 6,5x9cm. There was a mask
> for 6x4,5cm available and backs for 6x6cm or 35mm. Film backs are
> provided with dark slides. Knob on the right is for advancing the
> film. Left knob is film counter and locks after each frame
> (hopefully). You have to manually set it to the first frame. For the
> 6x4,5cm mask, turn to the mark between the numbers. Wind the film with
> open back until the first bit of exposable material appears on the
> side of the take up spool. Then set to zero and wind just before
> exposure to first frame. As films today are thinner it might turn out
> useful to put a little paper around the take up spool before inserting
> the film. This might help preventing overlapping frames. When camera
> is folded up, the dark slide should be inserted or a cap on the lens
> to prevent fogging (says the manual).
>
>
> [Image] Wide angle Orthar 73/6.8 with 72 degrees fo view (Topogon
> design). Not fully free of distortion it shows even alumination and is
> very sharp, to me a fine performer. Wide angle has to be scale-focused
> or used with groundglass:
The wide angle abstains from coupling to
> the rangefinder as for total control over distortions for
> architectural images the use of a groundglass is indispensable
> (Plaubel booklet 1953). Other lenses available for Makina I*/s/r were
> the Tele-Makinar 190/4.8 (with box):</p><p>> [Image]</p><p>> It can be used with the rangefinder in the normal position. After
> focusing you have to adjust the scale on the lens barrel in addition.
> Plaubel called this
semi-automatic coupled. Shown here ist the
> uncoated pre-war design, which has three elements (post-war has four).
> If not exposed exactly it might show vignetting, colors are fine. Two
> teles for the Makina II were available, the 210/6.3and f/5.4. These
> tele lenses are hard to find today. All post war lenses were coated.
>
> I owe lots of these information to Ms. Pichotka, many thanks. More
> information on IIIr can be found here
> <a href="http://www.cosmonet.org/camera/makina_e.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cosmonet.org/camera/makina_e.htm</a>.</p><p>Information, photos and advice for loading the camera with film can be
seen here</p><p><a href="http://www.mediakyoto.com/camerashopper/cla_came_e/plaubel_makina_e/index_e.html" target="_blank">http://www.mediakyoto.com/camerashopper/..._e/index_e.html</a></p><p>> As you can see from these pictures I am really in love with this
> camera. I am not a collector and I enjoy taking pictures regularly
> with it. So far, no problem has occured. I hope this mail was not to
> long. Take care
>
> Gunnar Buettner, Hamburg, Germany
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Horst

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<p>@ Willi</p><p>Mensch Willi, besten Dank für Dein Feedback.
Mein Englisch ist zwar nicht sonderlich gut. Was man halt in der Schule so gelernt hat (verdammt lang her). Habe es aber in großen und ganzen (ungefähr) verstanden.</p><p>Das mit dem Objektiv. Heißt das, daß ich das Objektiv rausschrauben muß, und dann wird hinten und vorne ein Objektivteil (Linsenelement) drauf geschraubt. So das dadurch eine Brennweiten-Erweiterung statfindet ?
Was es nicht alles gibt, Hi, Hi.</p><p>Werde mal den Lindemann-Verlag anmailen, ob es noch eine Gebrauchsanweisung dafür gibt.</p><p>Besten Dank nochmal.
Es hat sich somit wiedermal gezeigt: "Alte Hasen (Füchse), braucht das Forum " !</p><p>Have a nice Day !
Horst
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willi1960

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<p>Schau Dir mal den Link an.</p><p>Schnellanleitung für die Kamera.</p><p>Kann Dir auch eine Anleitung für die III schicken - natürlich in Englisch.</p><p>Sorry !!!</p><p>That´s why i learned it extensivly !!!</p><p>
<a href="http://www.mediajoy.com/en/cla_came/plaubel_makina/" target="_blank">http://www.mediajoy.com/en/cla_came/plaubel_makina/</a></p><p>
Viele Grüße</p><p>
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horst

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<p>@ Willi</p><p>"das ist der Grund warum ich es gelernt habe" !
Nur;- Who you f..... ist " extensivly" ?</p><p>Danke Dir nochmals.
Werde das Teil mal ausdrucken und genauer studieren</p><p>So long !
Horst</p>
 

willi1960

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<p>Das ist eine Verballhornung:
Extrem und intensiv !!!</p><p>Ich konnte ja schlecht ekzessiv schreiben .....</p><p>So long !!!!</p><p>
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Horst

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<p>.... Danke ! - wieder etwas dazu gelernt.
Entschuldige mein "Gossen-English " .</p><p>Gruß Horst</p>
 
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retrophoto

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<p>Hallo Willi,
kannst Du mir die Kurzanleitung zur Makina III mailen? Das wäre fein. dsb.kiz@gmx.de
Danke schön.
Michael</p>
 
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